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? and then someone else? then you know, you know what it feels like tonight. to be grover norquist. >> right now, we are watching both sides start to make their move. >> holiday cheer and fiscal cliff fears. >> of course, we're talking about the -- >> fiscal cliff. >> it does cause uncertainty. >> there's a great uncertainty. >> there's always uncertainty. life is uncertain. >> i think it's more of a slope. republicans possibly maybe -- >> growing number of republicans. >> looking to make a deal. >> and they would like one pretty quick. >> some top republicans suggest they could shock horror. >> the mythical grover norquist. >> break with their sacred pledge. >> to grover norquist. ♪ another one bites the dust >> nobody's turning on me. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. >> nobody's turning on me. >> it is not about that pledge. >> nobody's turning on me. >> it really is about trying to solve problems. >> i'm sorry, that's just silly. >> grover norquist is not jesus. >> he can't burn down your house. >> we would highlight whose kept their commitment. >> this guy's a political lone shark. >> nobod
number of republicans to say, sorry, grover, it is over. that pledge we signed turns out it wasn't written in permanent ink. welcome, everyone, i am neil cavuto and don't look now but i think americans for americans for tax reform and the zealot could be pumped. grover norquist himself on what appears to be a revolt on the right, half dozen republican senators would have disown add pledge that isn't feasible now including oklahoma senator coburn, arizona's john mccain, south carolina's graham, idaho's crapo, tennessee's alexander, and georgia's sam bliss. it is not that they have all become antipledge, more like, well, antisweeping pledge. particularly the party of that pledge that called for resisting any move to end any tax break. to hear georgia's chambliss, too rigid, too inflexible, noting times have changed significantly, and i care more about my country than i do about a to-year-old pledge. if so, so what now? norquist in a second, to bob on republicans increasingly happy to make grover the grinch. what do we make of this? what is going on? >>guest: republicans lost the el
pledges and instead are now claiming the grover norquist is the real problem in washington d.c. fox digital politics center is here with us tonight as is the daily caller stalker carlson. egyptian leader declaring new powers for himself, claiming he won't be just another dictator. just a week ago praised by the obama administration for brokering a ceasefire in gaza, and now the white house is silent on the more -- coupe. middle east expert professor hoover institute senior fellow "wall street journal" as columnist among our guests here tonight. we begin with the president's broad based strategy to conduct our right class warfare against the republican party on the issue of taxes and the fiscal cliff. the white house today released a report from the council of economic advisers. that report claims that if republican lawmakers don't accept the president's fiscal proposals they would be responsible for destroying christmas for the nation's retail sector. the national retail federation is forecasting that holiday sales will grow. if congress does not act on the president's plan to exten
and basically said that their real oath is to america and not to a washington loppiest named grover norquist. >> it's actually true. some republicans have signaled a willingness to buck grover norquist and his anti-tax pledge and raise some new revenue. "the wall street journal" weighed in with a reasonable argument. president obama's re-election means the taxes for upper income earners are going up one way or another. speaker john boehner deserves some leeway to try to mitigate the damage by negotiating a larger tax reform. leeway to negotiate sounds pretty sane to me. for some, of course, that's a great big lump of coal wrapped up as an early christmas present. >> revenue that happens to be the democratic code word for tax increases. that is simply not an acceptable position for any true conservative. republicans were not elected to rubber stamp obama's agenda. >> seems some news personalities may be taking a tax increase on the highest earners somewhat personally. anyway, republicans didn't win the white house or the senate. i wonder what other conservatives have to say about that. >> the
of republicans break with grover norquist on this anti-tax pledge. now, whether you see some equivalent movement on the democratic and liberal side on entitlement reform, that's where the key to the deal will be. >> eamon, we'll get to grover. i want to go to jody first on the idea of wealthier people paying their share. as the obama campaign and obama white house, do you think they have found the right balance on messaging about their millionaire friends who are willing to pay more? >> they're certainly more successful than they were during the debt negotiations in the summer of 2011. some democrats are saying, it's okay, we can go over the fiscal cliff, things will be easier for us that way. i'm not sure if that's true when you look at the president. the president has such a rare chance here. the debt ceiling crisis was the nadear of the obama administration. he had come to washington to unify the city and yet he couldn't get republicans and democrats to sit down and agree to a common sense agreement. he has the chance to do that now. there is a developing consensus to raise taxes in washingto
to see old friends and distant relatives. >> i'm making a pledge to my friend grover norquist. you're in "the cycle," and you have my word it's going to be good. >>> the case against ambassador susan rice as a successor to hillary clinton deepens. she went to the hill today to smooth it over with senators mccain, ayotte and graham who criticized her original comments on the deadly benghazi attacks. i picture the conversation between the president and rice going like this. we want you as secretary of state, so go make nice. answer their questions so they stop attacking you and threatening to block your possible nomination. yeah, so how did that work out? >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get. it is clear that the information that she gave the american public was incorrect. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than i was before with a little bit of inquiry and curiosity, i think it would be pretty clear that to explain this episode as related to a video that created a mob that turned into a riot was far afield. if you can do
waste. neil: you know closing loopholes and that. grover moriest said that is a -- norquist said that is a tax hike, he is so over. neil: why is he over? >> it is not his job to do that. neil: a lot of people rip this guy a new one. >> it makes us -- >> he is just holding politicians account able, if you are closing loopholes. cut somewhere else, what makes that an out landish view. >> is it sounds strange for us to have a an ar kayicic -- a pl. neil: they go off the reservation and get wacky >> it does not sound right, we need a new approach to this thank y grover for your time but people need individual responsibility. neil: you think it is now that politically correct thing to do to cut -- >> not cave but we do need to cut across the board. neil: do you agree. >> no, not, it is every american's job to holder politician responsibility up there only time we balanced budget in last 17 years is when we had more revenues durings.com boom, it was not because of the cutting spend, we have not been cutting spending, we have washington run amuck, and i don't care if it is grover or me
a period of time when the republican party was afraid of a guy named grover. it's not that time anymore. >> the gop post election fallout continues on a couple fronts. >> the fiscal cliff is getting shorter and shorter. >> voters agreed with me on this issue. >> more than congressional republicans. >> we don't understand. >> americans didn't vote for dysfunction. >> the voters agreed with me on this issue. >> they voted for government that works. >> we don't understand why raising tax rates is the solution. >> can party leaders get a deal? >> impossible. >> all this talk about taxing the rich is nonsense. >> grover norquist. >> you speak of grover norquist. >> he's an entertaining warrior. >> pledge mentality is really on the run right now. >> speaker boehner clearly wants a deal. >> he can't have one arm tied behind his back. >> the top 1%, only 42% of the wealth. >> 48.5 million people lived below the poverty level. >> we should ask the wealthy to start paying their fair share. >> the american sense of fairness, no one should pay more than 25%. >> today's republican party has imploded
nobody voted for and who is really the modern day wizard of oz, grover norquist. >> stephen: grover's a friend. grover a a friend now, okay. >> well, the from the prt is my friend and you trashed him. >him. >> stephen: i will-- i will-- i will tell you, the president may have nuclear weapons. grover norquist has a pledge. and evidently, that's scarier to the republicans than anything else. >> absolutely. because they won't break the pledge. and they've got to be able to tell grover and everyone else, we're not going to get out of this hole without raising some revenue. and that's a fact. and grover can't say it. this country needs real action and the time has come for us to stand up and take the hit. and my favorite chapter in the book-- and i wrote every word of this book myself-- ( laughter ). >> stephen: okay. >> and i titled all my chapters is "stand and defend. there are some things worth losing for." if you run for office and you don't believe there's something important enough that you're going to risk your job for, then don't run in the first place. ( cheers and applause )
. >> that's just silly. >> grover norquist, he wanted ground government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> medicaid, social security. >> this is not part of the conversation. we're not going to raid social security. just another fight in washington. >> there's going to be blood and hair and eyeballs all over the floor. >> i'm more positive than most. >> if not, we go off the supposed cliff. >> the fiscal cliff or slope. the bump of various height. >>> thelma and louise might need to make room in the car for the president of the united states. at the white house today, senior obama administration officials met with liberal leaders and union officials. "the washington post" reports that one told him after the meeting, quote, would the white house go off the cliff if it's between that and compromising their core principles? i was left with the impression that they would. illinois democratic senator dick durbin spoke today at the liberal center for american progress where he said this about the possibility of going off the cliff which fears of this show know is is really m
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grover norquist warns republicans against breaking their promise. >> it is possible if the republicans lose in such a way they've got their fingerprints on the murder weapon, then you have a problem. bush couldn't run again in '92 successfully because he had his fingerprints on a very bad deal, bad on spending and bad on taxes and he broke his word. >> what is alan simpson's message to grover? we'll ask him in a few minutes. >> how do you deal with guys who came to stop government or grover wandering the earth in his white robe saying he wants to drown government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> susan rice back for more on capitol hill with failing to persuade more republican senators. >> i would need to have additional information before i could support her nomination. i think it will be premature for me to reach that judgment now. >> i would just ask the president to step back. >> senate republican kelly ayotte, who has threatened to block a rice nomination, joins us ahead. and powerball fever sweeping the nation. the jackpot now jumps to $500 million. the second
trust your future to a guy named grover. why mr. norquist and his infamous pledge may be up against the ropes. that and much more right after the break. at cepacol we've heard people are going to extremes to relieve their sore throats. oh, okay, you don't need to do that. but i don't want any more of the usual lozenges and i want new cooling relief! ugh. how do you feel? now i'm cold. hmm. this is a better choice. new cepacol sensations cools instantly, and has an active ingredient that stays with you long after the lozenge is gone. ahhh. not just a sensation sensational relief. [ voice of dennis ] ...safe driving bonus check? every six months without an accident, allstate sends a check. ok. [ voice of dennis ] silence. are you in good hands? where you don't back down from a challenge. this is the age of knowing how to make things happen. so, why let erectile dysfunction get in your way? talk to your doctor about viagra. 20 million men already have. ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you ta
've got drama. oh, my god they might stop live living to grover norquist's pledge. he's the guy who says, no tax increases--ever! here is a collection of republicans. even an and of fox news action saying, i don't think so grover. >> i'll violate the pledge. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. >> i haven't talked to grover norquist so i don't know what he wants to do or not want to do with his pledge. >> a pledge you signed 18 years ago is for that congress. >> republicans should put revenue on the table. >> i think everybody should be on the table. >> the only pledge we should be making to each other is avoid the coming grief. >> it is not about that pledge. it really is about trying to solve problems. >> the only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i gave when i served. >> getting in difficult situations in relationships in general when you make people sign on the dotted line and then crucify them if they ever decide to change their mind. >> cenk: you know it's over when they send fox news anchors to say wrap this up. grover why don't you roll over. this is a catch. when they say they'
is for that congress. the world has changed. >> joining me now is the man in the middle of this storm, grover norquist. grover, welcome to you. >> good to be with you. >> you can't comply on the bounty the mutiny has begun: >> it's funny to watch a senator or congressman who got himself elected by promising the citizen of his state that he would go to washington to reform government and not to pay taxes. when the going gets rough he wanted to debt ceiling increase. the same cast of chakts are turns in the homework for the second tyne two years later and there's not a snowball rolling. the good news is the people that gave a commitment to the american voters. for four years president obama has not reined in spending. all he did is demand $1.6 trillion of tax increase so he can spend more money, not reining in spending. we need focus on spending problems because that's the problem we have. >> warren buffett wrote this fascinating piece in the "new york times" today. you're familiar with it today. suppose they come to you with an investment idea. i'm in it. i think you should be, too. would your reply be
on to grover norquist and some of the colleagues taking a different tact on the pledge. what do you think of this? >> i admire grover norquist. he has a role to play in the search air i don't of the republican party. i have always been against ethanol subsidies, sugar subsidies, all of those things that i thought were wasteful and unnecessariful and the result of special interests. i am still opposed to rate increases. all of my career i have again to the floor and fault against the unwarranted subsidies that were directly a result lobbying rather than the national good. >>neil: you disagree when he says getting rid of those breaks or allowances, without corresponding spending cuts, that breaks the pledge? >>guest: no i don't if it breaks the pledge or not but i am opposed to the tax rate increase because i think it hurts the economy and i think most economists that i respect believe that but throughout my career i v gone to the floor time after time on the appropriations bills and the farm bills that have the important earmarks, the terrible and egregious subsidies which i have opposed a
thoughts? >> do you have any impure thoughts about grover norquist? >> it is not about that pledge. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i will violate the pledge. >> deja vu all over again. >> he will be irrelevant. >> with the end of the world, deadly dragon, that would be interesting, except it's not true. >> he will be irrelevant and he knows it. >> what started as a bad week for the most famous grover since president cleveland has now gotten worse. the former chair of the house republicans campaign committee. who could always be relied upon to march in lock step with republican leadership has said he now agrees with president obama on taxes. >> we agree with the president on that. >> congressman cole said he thinks the house of representatives should simply pass the bill that has passed the senate, preserving the current tax rates for all except those in the top brackets, which would revert to the clinton tax rates. the current rates are expected to expire on new year's eve, all of them, and congressman cole has decided it's time to face reality. >> these tax rates are going up autom
not to raise taxes. that promise, that pledge, the brain child of anti-tax activist grover norquist, a long-time power broker in the gop. but the vote faced its first test last week when senator saxby chambliss said he was ready to break the promise. congressman king -- now senator lindsey graham has become the latest republican to say he would violate the pledge if democrats also showed willingness to rein in the nation's debt. >> i want to buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs. i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country. only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >>> >> let's bring in cnn political editor paul steinhauser. three republican lawmakers. it's not exactly a rebellion, right? >> not a rebellion yet. grover norquist, carol, was on cnn on "starting point" just an hour ago. he said you know what? if any of these lawmakers do make the pledge they have explaining to do to their voters. take a listen. >> if you want to go to your voters and say i promised you this and i'm breaking my promise, you can have that conversation with them. but you don'
pledge created by the president of americans for tax reform, grover norquist. (thunder clashes) the two most terrifying words a republican can hear other than "buenos dias." (laughter and applause) but now some republicans are abandoning the anti-tax pledge as fast as they abandoned -- oh, what's his name? (laughter) i got it, don't help me, don't help me. rip flambe. (laughter) no, no, that's my personal train trainer. (laughter) no, the point is conservatives are jumping ship. >> i want to buy down debt and cut rates that create jobs but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. the only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i take when i serve -- when i'm sworn in this january. >> a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. for instance, if i was in congress in 1941 i would have signed the -- supported a declaration of war against japan. i'm not going to attack japan today. the world has changed. >> stephen: you heard it, folks. congressman peter king is not only raising your taxes, he's surren
mitchell live in washington. congress is back. grover norquist's tax pledge could be history. and all eyes are now focusing on house republicans as talks to avoid going over that so-called fiscal cliff are picking up steam. joining me now, mark halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc and ruth marcus, columnist and editorial writer for the "washington post." to you, mark, what is your read about what we've been hearing the last couple of days about grover norquist, the pledge and how much running room the speaker does have to b negotiating a deal. >> i did a spit take with my fruity pebbles watching "morning joe" because eric cantor's tone was unlike anything i've ever heard. his office is saying oh, no, he's against raising marginal rates, but it's clear that in the scheme of things, the biggest piece is does john boehner have enough running room to strike a deal involving some new revenue. i still am of the belief that the vote in the house, which will be a cliff hanger no matter what happens amongst the leaders in the white house, it will be a tough vote. i think it will
hold grover norquist and his tax pledge held on republicans may be loosening. frank bruni thinks republicans devolved into dummies and nor west was their ventriloquist. not everyone saw norquist as the cause of the problem. defending him truth is that mr. norquist doesn't have such power. the voters do. he had the wit to channel the electorate's limited government beliefs into a single issue enforcement mechanism. long-time ally of norquist, jack abramoff who joins me in a moment said simply, news of grover's demise is premature. but in recent interviews, norquist has begun to sound like a petulant leader on the way out. >> the pledge is not for l.i.e. everybody who signed the pledge including peter king, who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years or something. >> eliot: warren buffett continued to be the pragmatic voice of the majority. >> i think there is a general feeling among the american public c
leader eric cantor was on morning joe talking about the grover norquist tax pledge and whether he like other republicans would be willing to jump ship. here is his answer. >> there is a lot that has been said about this pledge and i will tell you when i go to the constituents that have elected and re-elected me, it is not about that pledge. it really is about trying to solve problems. >> the majority of those who distanced themselves from norquist so far have been senate gop members, not house gop members. do you think that speaker boehner and congressman cantor, do you think they can make any leeway with the caucus on a tax increase? >> well, only time will tell. this is the big question. you're asking the big question because the speaker has set the right tone. now it is time for the right substance. now it is time for the speaker to put his plan on the table. after all, the president hasn't been secret about his plan. the president's plan is there for everybody to see, every american can go to the president's budget plan to see his combination of tax increases on the wealthy in addi
-tax crusader, grover norquist attacking the wives of republican congressman? >> i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years. >> tonight, lee saunders on the grassroots blast to pass the middle class tax cuts. >> small business owner, lou krantz, on his meeting with the president. congressman, steve israel, on the democratic momentum on the fiscal cliff. plus. >> karen finney on the new bizarre attack on ambassador, susan rice. >> all of the sudden, we are the bell of the ball. we are here to say, it's time to start to dance. >>> latino voters help put president obama over the top. now, the hispanic caucus says they want action. representative luis gutierrez joins me tonight. >>> good to have you with us. thanks for watching. president obama is selling his economic agenda and using all the right tools. the president was surrounded today by middle class taxpayers at the white house as he pushed for an extension of the tax cuts for income below $250,000. he was quick to highlight the break in the ranks with the republicans. >> i am glad to see, if you've be
't kill the country if we raise taxes a little bit on millionaires. >> the persistently grover norquist has not changed his tunes. >> the democrats would like to see tax increases on the american people. we just had an election and the house of representatives was elected committed to keeping taxes low. the president was committed elected on the basis that he was not romney, and that romney was a poopy head and you should vote against romney, and he won by two points. but he didn't make the case that we should have higher taxes and higher spending. it sounded like the opposite. >> i'm not sure what grover norquist meant by that, but then again i rarely under him in the first place. joining me now former secretary under president clinton now a professor at uc berkeley robert reich whose best selling e-book "beyond outrage:what has gone wrong with our economy and our democracy and how to fix it" is now available on paper work. good evening. >> good evening. >> eliot: i want to pars where the republicans are. has the republican relationship willing to increase marginal tax rates. >> no, th
be part of the talkings. talks. meanwhile, many are turning their back on the pledge to grover norquist. >> times changed significantly and i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year-old pledge. >> i agree, a pledge signed 20 years ago is for that congress. >> i'm willing to generate revenue. it's fair to ask my party to put revenue on the table we're build historic averages. >> it does appear that speaker boehner is open to talk about revenue entitlement reform. >> eliot: jay carney said the white house welcomed those comments and grover norquist tried to make light of them. >> some of them have engaged in impure thoughts. they have not actually voted for a tax increase. >> eliot: norquist drawing the red line of any revenue even if new funds came from closing loopholes and limiting deductions. >> if you do that, you've just killed tax reform for a generation. why? how do you get the rates down if you don't have the deductions in credits. what obama is hoping to do is raise taxes spend the money, kill tax reform for individual. >> eliot: meanwhile, some democrats would ra
to the pledge i know you signed with grover norquist. he said i'm okay with closing loopholes, but it has to be revenue neutral. but everyone knows to get a deal done, it can't be neutral. are you open to a deal that is not revenue neutral? >> what i'm open to is the idea of acknowledging the fact that we can bring in on average 18.5% of gdp through our revenue stream. that's what our tax system is capable of doing in the united states. that remains a constant. whether or top rate is at 35% as it is now or 75% as it was back in the early 1980s. that's a relative concept. what i want is for us to produce a steady stream of 18.5% rather than having these peeks and valleys. last year, we had a valley of about 14.5%. other years, closer to 20%. we want a steady, even, 18.5%. >> but to get from 14.5 to 18.5 is not revenue neutral. >> to get to there is not revenue neutral in the immediate sense, but what i'm saying is that if it produces on average 18% of gdp and that's going to keep us constant, that is arguably revenue neutral. in the long run, i think everyone would benefit. it would be rev
the road to tout his tax plan. i will speak with lobbyist grover norquist and senator dick durbin about what hangs in the balance next. >>> a small town governor stood up to violence and vowed to keep fighting, but now her dead body has been found. her story when "ac 360" continues. >>> if you department get enough of campaign 2012, stay tuned. we learn that the president will push plan to raise taxes on income above a quarter million dollars a year. he'll be speaking friday at a factory in pennsylvania. some republicans are hinting to limiting deductions even if it means breaking the pledge that the lobbyist grover norquist has been lobbying against for years. joining us now to talk about it all, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. grover, thanks very much for coming in. >> good to be with you. >> the trend we're seeing now from members of congress questioning or pushing back on the pledge. we've seen it before to a certain degree, but we're seeing a lot more of it i sense right now. there's a sense this movement is gaining some steam. is this just more of the same,
a deal. anti-tax champion grover norquist last night told me he's keeping republicans to the no tax increase pledge they made decades ago. but should his party back away from that promise? joining me in his first interview since the election, reince priebus, chairman of the republican national committee. welcome back, mr. priebus. how are you? >> doing great, piers. how are you? >> you have been keeping your head below the paraput since the shellacking you guys took in the election. what is your reaction to the pretty poor defeat? >> well, i think that we got to look at everything that we're doing. i think that's what we have to do. i don't think you can draw any quick conclusions other than the fact that we lost and we know that. but i think in order to get back in the game, you've got to look at and do a full autopsy of what happened, what we did well, what we didn't do well, what we can do better in the next year with two governors' races coming up and two years later, then four years from now. so what we're going to do is we want to bring everyone together. leaders from across t
." is grover finally over? over recent years, the party lost much of its credibility in this discussion by dint of the lavish spending and debt under george w. bush and because of a gimmicky purity in norquist that has done his party damage. there's no place for absolutists and absolutism in a democracy, which is designed for give and take, for compromise. i hope that republicans and democrats alike will keep those principles in mind as we approach the so-called fiscal cliff. norquist certainly hasn't. but then he bears no responsibility for governing and is concerned less with voters and their welfare than with those of us in the news media who have been too quick to summon him, rewarding his staged and reliable vividness. >> i saw him doing an interview yesterday, i believe it was. about the pledge and those who are now coming out saying they might break the pledge and they were sort of veiled -- like threats in it. and i don't get where he gets the ability -- for what are we afraid of? >> listen, i -- i like grover personally -- >> i know you do, and i do too. >> and let me say, i absolutely
thought dana captured the spirit in his piece today, that the kind of grover norquist pledge mentality is really on the run right now. now, i wouldn't say that he's down and out. the guy is slippery, but this idea that you can have asymmetric tax policy, it always goes down, never goes up, is not consistent with modern economies. >> dana, if you can control the size of your head so that it doesn't get too big, you write about the king of tax cuts in your latest piece. i agree, it is magnificent. you speak of grover norquist. he's convinced the president has no mandate to raise taxes on the wealthy. for instance, here is what he told chuck todd at a forum just last thursday. take a listen, dana. >> did win this debate, did he not? >> no. >> he didn't win the debate? >> no. he won the presidency. >> in other words, dana, the president znd win the debate, only the consolation prize called the presidency. what's your assessment of mr. norquist's political acumen post election? >> gentlemen, i'm blushing from your phrase but the truth is grover norquist make this is extremely easy. he's a o
government secretly, the purpose of grover's pledge, that is a pledge to their voters, but it was because republicans too often come to washington saying, it is assess 3508, but after a -- cesspool and after a couple of years they say it a hot tub. but it is not going to work we've seen with budget summit after budget summit, whatever you give more revenue to government, they wind up increasing spending not on mention there are usually -- and they never get as much revenue as they think they will get, so we will dig ourselves deeper into a hole if we wind up letting government get bigger by feeds the beast with more taxes. neil: thank you all very much this is an alarming development post-turkey days, some republicans maybe acting like turkeys. this is cyber monday, a lot of you, if you were working buying stuff, you were not alone, 1.5 billion in cyber related sales if there is a scare on part of justaf ran average joe d grow an and this fiscal cliff, have a funny way of showing it today. neil: all right, tell the truth, a lot of you were shopping at work today, cyber monday. but no deal
. d says i was absolutely appalled at the number of members of congress who signed the grover norquist pledge. you were spot-on by calling them traitors! and harmony wants us to know her opinion as to why black friday exists peter. i'm from wisconsin she says and grew up with many hunters in the family. the day after thanksgiving was always a big hunting day. black friday started with hunters' wives going shopping because all of the men were out hunting. >> i know a lot of hunting seasons kick off now. >> bill: you know what? that makes a lot of sense to me. they're hunting for deals. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> bill: good morning everybody. welcome to the "full court press" this wednesday morning. november 28. great to see you today. thank you for jumping on the "full court press" bus. that's a mouthful. as we head out from our nation's capital. to tell you what's going on today and of course look forward to taking your calls at 1-866-55-press. how about this. everybo
veterans remembrance ceremony. >> as washington likes are against this grover norquist. they are noted for the anti-tax plans. our panel of journalists, steven sloan from politico and russell berman from "the hill" >> thank you for being here. i want to talk about your interpretation of the election and what it means for the direction of tax policy. >> we had a split decision appeared the president won by two points. he won by 7.2 years ago against a war hero. he and 9 million fewer votes. he is a lame duck now. he said he was interested in raising taxes a year from now on anyone. his physician from four years ago was that they would not raise taxes on anyone. he was very clear and no taxes if you made less than $250,000. this year august 8, he started with a new framework. my plan is that i will not raise taxes on anyone who earns less than $250,000 a year. his only promising -- he is only promising not to raise income taxes. this is not include energy taxes. is only promising to protect income taxes for one year. at the end of the year, he has promised the middle-clas
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